good morning. i'm chris jansing. we're just a week away, if you can believe it, from the first presidential campai. it's now looming even larger for mitt romney. because threnew polls t today show pollsters pulling away from him. the new quinnipiac lead gives obama a ten-point ad in ohio, nine points in florida, whopping 12 points in pennsylvania. this is aew cnbc pollha shows president obama nine points u on romney when it comes to who would do a better job on the economy. good to see you. >> great to be here. >> we suld say the polls were done at a time when the % mm by mitt romney was

getting a lot of publicity, his tax returns wut o there. let me play for you what was said when i asked what do you make of the polls. >> they're overpolling democrats to ph the pdent ers. >> is this what the romney camp really believes, matt? is it correct? >> you know, think ear going to grasp at any straw that they can. it's a problemf what happens ecliante in the an primary season, right? he looks nice. you can take him home to mom. . and then you have to transfer to a general election. you have t try toavoid saying anything to make a case for yourself and those are two different ings >> tuenect do you do. one of the things they talked about, they said it in "the new york times," let's get mitt romney and paul ryan out on the road together because ryan seems to loosen him up a little bit.

but then, you knowsome people are makingun of what hapned ohier le pthlir >> wow. that's quite a guy, isn't it? paul ryan. isn't that something? >> ryan! ryan! >> wait a cond ro,. romney, ryan. romney, ryan. there you go. i guess the question becomes are people pushing him into something he's not? he got good interviews in. is the trouble in parthen roey tes not to be romn? ye ihi i ironic that they're saying let ryan be ryan. but throughout then tire process, we've really not been 100% clear who mitt romney is, right, because the guy who was vernor of massachusetts, had he run as that guy, he would have been more likehe g w o "60 minutes."

he's been forced to run this eternal primary where he's constantly trying to please the farthest right base of the republican party and so he isn't really being allowed to make what is supposed to be a pivot to a general election caid so t tbleally is partly that. then they've tried to pull romney into the ryan mold. they vnld allowed ryan to do what he was picked to , which is talksn policy because they understand that would be even more unpolarhat tre putting out there right now? >> is it that his instincts aren't good, he's being given bad advice? somehow it's not working. >> these are his conscious decisions. he's been rning way from specics from day one as in t presidency. paul ryan is not a nominee as much as a gesture. he's a way to say to the fess cal conservativebase, we're thinking of you, we want to please you, but he's not adopting ryan's actual policies.

he's making ryanllse serth he's trying to hold a mirror up to the country in such a way that he doesn't have to steake any controversial positions himself. that way you get -- >> i mean isn't that ironically the idea of the ceo president hawayseen if y r buness, you can run the country. but i think this is showing the worst of what ceos do, member miezing the truth about losses can, which we saw in enron, acting like every's fin when he saidhe candidacy doesn't need retooling. >> you know, one of the things that we should say about mitt romney is that some of these polls over the last couple of weeks have sho that barack obama is losing a littl bit in foreign policy and they sm to sense maybe there's an portity er hes criticizing the president for his handling of the libyan consulate attack. >> i think there have been a

number of members in the adnistration, including state department who said this was a terrorist attack. the white house and the president are continuing not to admit what their own nisttisng thin it's pretty clear that they haven't wanted to level with the american people. >> the campaign obviously things they can get some traction on that. do you think they can? >> i thank can because on this case the facts are kind of on his side. i mean the obama by at, specifically ction to t blaming it on the video for ore a week really wasn't a fine moment for him. he should level with the american people. if you don't know anything, don't say anything. he can get traks. he me some missteps and s he wasna takax ofhat as much as he could. but he definitely can do so in the future. >> i want to bring in tom ridge. he's, of course, the former governor of pennsylvania. good to have you here. >> thank you for having me .

>>nn cry also talked to thim let me play that. >> what was your evidence that it was a preplanned attack of terrorism? te, thptr.one was choosing the has all the significance. if we take the facts about the way it was executed, you can see there's enough proof that it was a preplanned act of terrorism that help us to understand the portce o thr"a of terrorism," and why do you think the president won't say that, even though some members of his team, including his spokesman has? >> well, you ask me a great question t go into president obama's mi to expint dsn't do something a that's above my pay grade. >> does it send a message?

>> early on in the admin strarks he was afraid to the word "tri theran events. we had the attorney general talking about treating them as criminals. there's been an effort from the administration to try to stay away from that term and fnkly if you caulk to stevens' family and the other thr milies, e rhetorical plan, it's pretty clear. the libyan official, boots on the ground, said it was a terrorist act. they don't normally show up with rpgs and grenasnder th isoi b a peaceful demonstration. it certainly looks prearranged. who's responsible we don't know yet but we'll find out. >> it' clear now that these have become part of a dialogue in the presidential campaign. one of the thing theya id also said to ann

curry, it lacks to be a branch of al qaeda. that's something we heard after the benghazi attack happened. where do you think we are now in terms ofterrorism. obviously as the president said, the traditional al eda ae i s t h bee decimated. top leaders including osama bin laden are gone but where are we? >> i think again that's a statement. the ail die is the al qaeda. ere are mutanrm e of wannabes and look-alikes. i think active terrorism in spite of the facthat the president rightly has given some credit for elited osamain land, inor and somewhat naive to say merely because you cut the head of the organization, now you have other groups affiliated, oftentimes

rhetorically affiliated but others given gnc f ot and the arabian peninsula. it ooh's dominant force in the region in cahoots from time to time with the iranian influence as well. we're ing be dealing with activism terrori, look-akes and wannabes. >> i'm going to ask you to play chameleon again. this is a question people are thinking about. if you were a moderator at one of these debates,hat do you u d w t ask both of the candidates in terms of our security, our battle against terrorism. >> well, i think there's a tendency to focus on al qaeda. as i said before there are a lot of forms but i think the central question in this region a arnd t ws . e e a lot of other terrorist organizations that are

involved in vapsing their interest in violent acts. interest in acts. you've gotjiha ol supporting the syrian government. i think one of the biggest questions would be what are we going to do about iran. unfortunately i think this is where the president is somewhat vulnerable. sanctions have really never worked, especially with the parti partied. but when they had an uprising in 2009, massive demonstration and there was a g cd mak. many of them were taken off the streets and tortured and murdered. there's democratic opposition in iran. we've recognid it across the middle east but not iran. that's a question that should be

asked. >> there m be thousands of people will be out where mahmoud ahmadinejad will be speaking today. let me bring back the panelists. what is the question we kno thoing t be rise to the top? could it change the equation in some way? >> i thing we could. i think what most americans are thinking about is, hey, the em ba is i's under attack. you're righ reigol i mf a ise in in election than it was in 2008 which is something very few people would have predicted going into 2008 for sure. it's unpredictable with the arab spring. it's a very fluid dynamic. present obama gave ape at thu.esteaych i gh interesting and pretty incoherent. said we're not going to determine the democratic outcomes of what's happening

there and at the same time the syrian leader must step down and a nuclear weapon for iran is intolerable. i think both parti have a pr geibohe u.s. power in that world and that's going to make things pretty dynamic for a long time. >> is it unclear? >> i think it's an important ing and i think it has been been too little of adebate. this isrimaly a d sstiol of the elect. the majority is not thinking of these. they're primarily voting on domestic issues. you now have a country that's exhausted with two wars. he's made such a hash when it comes to his tour and going over to europe and the fir 24 hours of the ln debate was so

mismanaged. the president has a record. what has been done to al qaeda, getting to the end. i think his standing is good evenf his numbers slip out of this concern. >> we're just abo o o me i tetack to the governor and ask you what do you want to accomplish today? you and the bipartisan politicians and protesters. >> i want toha you to the secretary of state. all of us republicans, elected officials, democrats, military officials, we felt it should never ha been on the list to begin with. we want to thank her for doing that. it'supedemti opposition. the mek we think is the largest and best. there are others we want to

cognize and our goal today is to have the u.n. take look at the mek at camp liberty. call it refee camp so they're pretexted. the maliki government has gone in on two occasions. they surrendered their arms to our military. we want to encrage our euroanllorettle this and talk about regime change. if you want to avoid the war and agree sanctions aren't workin let's start supporting publicly the democratic opposition. take a loo at the countes in thedl ea. t we start. >> governor ridge, good to have you on the program. thank you so much. we'll be watching you later today. thank you joann and mitch. nbc'sobtas the

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in the final play at the seattle/degree bays game that gave the seahawks the win. the president weighed in tiboidf t ai hope the refs' lockout is settled soon. >> did you guys watch that packer game la night? i mean give me a break. i half think that these refs admistration in the budget office. >> i'd sure like to see some experienced refr res with nfl experience come back out on the nfl playing fieldings. >> joini me n is bob costas from nbc sports. bob, goodrnin i, chs. y kw tsometng crazy when we've got all these different politicians agreeing that the call was bad. how because was it? >> it was atrocious. they should have gotten it right on the field with the naked eye and then i'm very surprised the

offial dn't ertuit he isn conusive evidence that the call is wrong, they're supposed to let it stand. but to virtually everybody wit a television set, especially with a high-defelevision set, there was no question about it. shoul hav bnoverturned. >> the twitosphere going crazy. what's going on here. >> it's $3 x milln a year give or ,orn $140,000 a team. there's a dispute over pensions. the oh fishfficials have pensio the league wants tohange it to a 4). d o be able to bench. it's to urge them to do bet ore their may be replaced by others.

but those are the issues. those issues seem small compared to the cal ihega. >> it certainly doesn't make sense to a lot of people, certainly not the fans. the statements i'm reading from the nfl, there doesn't seemo be a sense urgency. are they going tta han over it. >> not yet. all the conversation about it and ally uproar indicates how interested they are. the league proves, ateast most of the time, honed i wi gting calls right by replaying even relatively inconsequential plays five or six times and reviewing them in the middle of games, and yet with these replacement officials, it isn't just calls blown at the end of games. th don't understd es many o them.

you can hardly blame them. so there have been a lot of procedure problems. they lose control of the game. and they ao say they're concerned about thsafety o players. it's an inherently violent game. so the league has these two objectives which it says it stands by. geg mlss they can correct and protecting the players. >> i also wonder. have this situation. there have been other bad calls but the call went for the home team. what if it doesn't, bob? >> you know, mike lupika of the new york dailyew mt intnd it's great one. the call of game in baltimore on a field goal that was very close happened to be the correct call and it happened to go for the home team. this was an incorrect call and

it went for the home team. but wait until a game-ending even if it happens to be correct. if it's close enough to be in dispute and it somehow goes against the home team, you wonder what might happen in the stadium, gimp the fact that fan behavior is of concerrink in stium. barnyard chants. this isn't fwakt exactly the high point of civil it. you don't know what would happen. >> whaun does it look like this thing might get settled? >> not this we. i think they go t enga wh the replacement officials. i don't even know how to guess on this. i would think in the next few weeks, but nothing certain. >> bob costas, it's always great to see you, bob. thank you for coming on the program. > epme for todd akin. he said he's staying in the

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come home he eten toge ansold showers, they're not so bad. ross perot is writing a book called "my book." anss size. >> did romney say class size doesn't matter. >> it didn't seem to me that class size is the key. with president obama winng his lead in ohio and early voting begins there next week, today prident obam anditt mney crisscrossing that state, making five campaign appearances between them. this is day three of romney's bus tour. here he was just a short time ago in suburban columbus. >> i care about the people of america, and the difference between me and preside obama is i know whato do and i will do wt it tak to t this ecomy ing. >> i'm joining now by chris

kafinas and john braybender. gentlemen, good to see you again. >> good morning. >> okay, john we keep saying thisut i'm going to say it n. noublin has won the presidency without ohio. so what's mitt romney do now? >> well, thing that's right. i think he has to win not only ohio. i think e has to win probably virginia and florida as well. and i tlink's a couple of keys right now to mitt romney. you know, we saw in the primary. n t ln etch a the priryou sketch and change where you're going. think they're a little bit at that point where they've got to get a little sharper message. i think number one, they've got to get to know mitt romney more personally, not just as a ceo, but what kind of person he's li. nueeo, ty e put ideas out there that they're running on to get people excited about where they're going in the country, not just be a professional critic of the president.

>> one of questions is whether or not he's playing it too safe. he's sitting back, letting the events lay out and he shouldn't get too complacent. when they say where is the audacity of barack obama, is it a fair question? cessarily a fair question. i understand why people say it because when you won the first time, especially as the president did in 2008, the excitement, the energy, the fire, i mean it was a -igetiypf election. generations are not normally like that. when you have to go out there and defend ourselves and you're the subject of strong attacks. thing the problem is not that president obama's campaign is complacent. i don't think they are. and i don't think they take o ouldfor te not with less than six weeks to go. the problem with the campaign is the romney campaign. the romney campaign has the stink of death rightnow.

i mean when you see polls in florida and ohio and you can argue about whether or n they're accurate or not. there are multiplenes coming ad t i really bad. when you see polls showing you're not connecting with the middle class, that's really bad. when you have basically, again, a little less than six weeks to make your case, the romney campaign is about as terrible a position you cangi >>io you could imagine polls worse. but having said that, john, i'm not sure he even has six weeks. early voting starts next tuesday thitlr uer way ls neka in idaho, vermont, iowa. wyoming. how does that change the campaign strategy? >> first i think you have to point out in almost every single poll obama is under 50% or at ich wningohe pren

he'll pick up very few undecided votes. the ads were information for your own party. the debates are going to start to pay attention and that happens right when early voting stts. so iould sst these tee critical for mitt romney. and, frankly, i think that -- you know, you can say he's not connecting with the middle class. well, obama you could make the argument, hurt the middle class, and think that's a big part of what the debates are going to be about. >> what do you thihey' gotoou chris, and how important are they? >> they're incredibly important. because romney has been so otlot hihey'oing te if he does well in his debates, he will energize his campaign. i think you're going to have the campaign being about two things. the defendant is going to have to defend his record and there's

going to have to be a very strong caseor w hisolies wr fhe tr and basically governor romney is going to have to introduce himself at the same time he has to make a tough case against the president. that's a tough thick to do. president obama is a good debater. mitt romney is a good debater. i don't seeny one of them falling flat. that's theblor ro debate. >> chris kofinis, did i just hear you not trying to manage expectations? >> i'm not good on expectations. the reality is they're both good debaters. >> is that truejohn? the desorne o t other? >> people know he's a very good debater but the problem he has is he still has to bring a reco that i think bemo accounts is remarkably mediocre. i can tell you having run those bates. he knows basically how to

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influential in today's politics. just yterday at the clinton global itiative, both caidat appdhor president bill clinton. you often hear president obama talking about lincoln, mitt romney talking about ronald reagan, and now "newsweek" is out with a list of the ten best presidents since 1900. sir harold evans w is author offaus "the american century" has a tribute. it's a ploesh to have you here. >> thank you, madam. >> you gaekted together ten distinguished historians. what was the criteria? >> the cteriasha k o active presidents were they. it's very interesting. the historians, all -- every single one of them chose franklin roosevelt as number one. >> why? >> best predent since theodore roosevelt in the beginning of the century. if you ask tm why he did th asivnd effective, those two things. and he had a sense of america's

ideal of itself. so they took those creria. they didn't know what the others were doing. they all voted a it's interesting the top three -- around the table and discussing this. >> no, no. it was all in isolation. they locked them in a room with an ice pack and 5,000 volumes of their own works andsaid, come up with -- >> that doesn't soundike fu >> all othem, they pretty much agreed on lyndon johnson as one, two, three. the bottom, nonetheless, in ts select ten tharksd ronald reagan and barack obama. now, chris -- >> let malk aboutond thathen you're out on the campaign trail, it doesn't matter if you're democrat or rupp, a lot of people invoke ronald reagan. i'm going to play a clip of some of those recent sound bites.

>> president afteris recession. we created ove aillis moh. >> what ronald reagan was calling for then was the same thing we're calling fornow, a return to basic fairness and responsibility. >> they obviously must know somethg. not only did historians like him but a lot of americans led naldga >>'ruiright, chris. as well as the historians poll, they're all discontintinguished authors, the pollsters went out and asks the people a. what did the people say. who th >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> number one. >> who did they put number two? >> i'm going have to cheat. bill clinton. isn't that interestg. >> number three. franklin roosevelt. so as far as barack obama, by e way, barack obama scored mid len thpo inst i mean maybe not for people today because he obviously is very popular cerinly with

democrats, but for historians to choose a living president. >> they chose him as number ten of the20. e list just below ronald reagan. but it is interesting. the popular people put him in the middle of achievements. it was one of the top ten in the country, so they excludedeorge w. bush. toyeg they excluded george herbert walker bush who i personally thing they deserved more credit than they got. the popular vote excluded woodrow wilson. woodrow wson charted arican hiy t nea >> what do you make of the breakdown if you look at the list that's used democratic. out of ten, only three are republicans. >> yeah. i mean the people, four were republicans, but wi biand large you have toook at who the

puican a yo a g warren harding who was always drunk and making love in a closet. corrupt. you've got herbert hoover, decent made who made a screw -u on the depression. andalvicoolidge. he gave his wife a present, a bag of socks. 53 socks, darned the holes in them. that was the kind of imagination calvin cool lilk had. then you have george -- and in the poll, i have to say ion't think "newsweek" would mind this comi b i wasd tt among the worst presidents they chose the worst presidents. there were two. republicans. warren harding of the drunking whiskey party and george w. bush. >> really. from the hiorians. that's from t hioria >>hat c yel us that "newsweek" might not want us to know? >> i don't know. my lips o sealed. it's an incredibly interesting

poll because if you go back -- if you goback, youet washington,jefferson. trwaingt was tean in american history, but to do from theodore res velt the inspired idea of "newsweek's", i thought, and i thought the historians -- the individual rankings are being published the "newsweek" ipad of what they all voted. and is scining. now, dan kevers actually weighted them all. >> it is fascinating. people can find it either on their news stands or ipad. sir harold evans. what pleasure to have you on thogm. i wi. >> thank you. the tweet of the day comes from "the washington post" chris ill lis za who tweets, if bob wins in november, how much credit does bl clinton get? i say a lot. election. reinfor.

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the requirement is does the requirement at polling stations cause a burden. it must meetertain requiren. daother date to watch for y this is national voter registration month, to remind voters that in october, 48 states have registration deadlines. at stake here, 6 million potential voters or more. the national association of secretary of ste say that's ho manyn 2008 tt dot voec they missed registration deadlines. and if florida reg station numbers are any indication here, look at this. compared to july and previous elections, look, democrats are bagr s oorcen that this year they're only 5% of last election, and, chris, that's why it's not only the voter i.d. turnout. >> that's a huge number. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co."

on thuday join mhey guests will include carl bernstein and the former governor of florida, charlie crist. i'm christine jansing. thomas roberts is up next. >> hi, chris, good morning, everybody. president obama and mitt romney duking it out for every vote i the buckee stateith a nl shg prident opening up some much wider leads in critical battleground states. ow power panel is going to way inn that one. the nfl blind-sided by the reree standoff that's outraged evyo wit thentty o a $10 billion industry at stake, is the any way out of this mess. could michelle obama get away with ann romney's fire on the caaign trail? melissaerrys gon me in sounding off after this. in one daily dose. citracal slow release.

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